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Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:31 pm
by Plantkeeper
Crazygar wrote:Pencilfish, on the other hand work well. With those Otocinclus you purchased, how mature (how long has the tank been running?) in your tank? Remember, these guys are really sensitive to changes and a non-mature tank will not have enough algae in it for the Otocinclus to eat. If anything, I would suggest supplemental feedings anyways.

Gary


Gary is absolutly correct!!! I can't tell you how many of these guys I have gone through (even when there is an ample food supply). Very sensitive fish.

Blanched zucchini or cucumber seems to be a good choice these days for supplemental feeding.

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:24 pm
by Crazygar
If you have access to it, read my article in TFH Feb 2008 "Oto Pilot" or "The Otocinclus Paper" located here in the Writer's workshop. The "Paper" is an extensive read and quicker access. It also contains tons more information about Otocinclus.

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:20 pm
by cpardy
I think I've decided to wait and get a good school of cardinals... just like the color better. As for the ottos... I was wondering about that, their food, so blanch some zuchinni and drop it in? :unsure: they don't look so happy right now :(

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:29 pm
by freshfish
Yep. It's usually a good idea to peel it first, too, since sometimes the peels have been exposed to pesticides, and waxed.

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:14 pm
by Crazygar
Remove the skin and clean in warm fresh water. I often use a "veggie clip" to ensure that the food item does not blow around the tank. Once you keep putting the food for the Otocinclus in the same location, they'll flock in mass numbers to that spot when you put it in the tank.

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:25 am
by cpardy
ooh that seem so interactively fun. So they really like this stuff? hmm... :think: :)

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:33 am
by Crazygar
Otos are my speciality.

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:57 am
by kb46
cpardy wrote:So they really like this stuff? hmm... :think: :)

Trust me, feeding vegetables to fish is much more rewarding than trying to feed them to children :D

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:16 pm
by Crazygar
Good point Kylie, though my Daughter is the exception in that case. She actively seeks them.

Have considered your final stocking limits (as with Cardinals?). It is always good practice to keep schooling fish in Odd numbered schools. Visually, it is more pleasing as well (when they school).

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:08 pm
by cpardy
Odd numbers huh? sorta like it is in designing things and grouping collections, you always want to stick with an odd number. I didn't even think about this for fish... the tank yes, to keep it visualy pleasing. But I had no clue on schools of fish. Do they just group together better in an odd number? Ok... so I was hoping on 15 Cardinals. And that's it. As much as I like the German Blue Rams I'm not ready for that. I'm going to keep with my first thoughts on the tank from the beginning and leave it at that.

Well it's 2 weeks with the plants now... and most seem to be doing fine... but the um... wait, I'll figure out the name... ok, the Anacharis is looking a bit mooshy. What does that mean? :D

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:41 pm
by Crazygar
Anacharis is generally a cooler water plant. I managed to keep it alive in temps in the lower 70's, not something you want to do when you have Cardinal/Neon Tetras.

Personally, if its get "mushy", I'd remove it. Its a great Oxygenator but sometimes it does not fair well in more tropical conditions.

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:57 pm
by cpardy
okies. will do... do you think there's a way to keep it alive until spring. I think it could do well in my tub gardens outside if it likes the cooler water. I can sort of remember the pond place giving me that stuff before as in a starter plant set for the pond. Maybe I can just throw it in a jar or something at the window.... maybe? :think:

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:34 pm
by freshfish
Yeah that might work.

Anacharis and I have never gotten along... prolly cuz my tanks stay around 80 year-round? :shrug:

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:56 pm
by Crazygar
Keeping it outside would be a better choice. It's sold as a "pond plant" anyways. If you want a good floating plant, try Amazon Frogbit. Its good stuff.

Gary

Re: Plantkeeping for a Beginner Questions

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:16 am
by cpardy
So, I should put it outside? It's um... frozen.. and snowy. Might actually hit 20 tomorrow. I think I'll just throw it down the cellar, thats where we usually winter our pond plants, these harsh New England winters kill everything in our ponds off except for the native natural lilys I took from our local pond. :secret: :whistle: