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Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:32 am
by Gabe
I'm not saying that the tank have to be completely algae free! However I do not like the look of algae covered plants! I do not mind the background being covered, even the decorative rock and driftwood, but not the plants! I will not give up, it is just frustrating. I will get it where I would like it eventually thought.

However I still do not know why my plants do not want to grow! I will try different plants, maybe they will do better! Any suggestions for ground cover? The tank is fairly low light ( approximately 2 W/G ) no CO2.

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:35 pm
by freshfish
E. tenellus 'narrow' has always done the best for me in low light, that's what I've got now in my 90gal. Marselia minuta also can carpet in low light.

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:01 pm
by Gabe
Thanks Laura. However E. tenellus 'narrow' is the one I'm having problems with.... Go figure, I can grow a reef in a 2.5G, but can not get the plants going in a 46G.... Marselia minuta I have never seen in person! The stores around here are less than helpful when if comes to plants. I guess an internet order is the next best choice!

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:03 pm
by freshfish
What trouble are you having with it? It looks OK in the pics you posted further back (though that might be E. tenellus "regular" not "narrow"?) IME it tends to take a long time to establish. Also tends to go through a bit of a melt-off period like Crypts often do when they're replanted. Mine has been in my 90gal since April and is just now throwing off runners. Leave it alone and I think it will eventually fill in for you. :) Marselia minuta is "dwarf clover" - I don't see it that often at online stores and it's almost always cultivated emersed- so it also would probably take a while to transisiton to sumberged and fill in if you can find it. It's a pretty little plant, though- I've got a little bit in my 46gal. Nice dark green.

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:21 am
by Gabe
freshfish wrote: Mine has been in my 90gal since April and is just now throwing off runners. Leave it alone and I think it will eventually fill in for you. :)


I had these in my tank since the initial planting! 1 1/2 years!!! :shrug: I got maybe 3-5 new plants, which are not throwing runners at all! I will post a few more pictures after the water change today! Will do testing before and after too so I can post that also!

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:01 pm
by Crazygar
I'm surprised that your E.tenellus is not growing as fast as it should. Thats really weird. You saw my old tank and these were carpeting the entire thing.

Gary

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:39 pm
by freshfish
What's your substrate? Like all Echinodorus, they like iron. Have you tried fert tabs with them?

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 5:35 pm
by Crazygar
I think Gabe has a good nutrient rich substrate, though I might be wrong on that. I think it was Eco-Complete he put down in his tank.

Gary

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:18 pm
by Gabe
Laura
Crazygar wrote:I'm surprised that your E.tenellus is not growing as fast as it should. Thats really weird. You saw my old tank and these were carpeting the entire thing.
Gary


I know Gary, that is why I am a bit disappointed in the tank! Well in the plants at least. I guess I was hoping it will be as easy as a reef tank.... :rofl: :biglaugh: :P

Laura, I have 1/2" of peat on the bottom, on top of that I have 2 1/2' - 3" of Sachem's fluorite, on top of that I have 1" - 1 1/2" of Eco-Complete! It is thicker on the back than the front ( where the E.tenellus is ) ,however it is still about 2" - 2 1/2" of substrait. I also dose iron, however I never used fert tabs.

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:32 am
by WhoMe???
Gabe wrote:Laura
Crazygar wrote:I'm surprised that your E.tenellus is not growing as fast as it should. Thats really weird. You saw my old tank and these were carpeting the entire thing.
Gary


I know Gary, that is why I am a bit disappointed in the tank! Well in the plants at least. I guess I was hoping it will be as easy as a reef tank.... :rofl: :biglaugh: :P

Laura, I have 1/2" of peat on the bottom, on top of that I have 2 1/2' - 3" of Sachem's fluorite, on top of that I have 1" - 1 1/2" of Eco-Complete! It is thicker on the back than the front ( where the E.tenellus is ) ,however it is still about 2" - 2 1/2" of substrait. I also dose iron, however I never used fert tabs.


Wow, quite a mix! I would think anything will grow good! What about the lights? You said you have 2wpg... are they the right spectrum for plants?

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:31 pm
by Gabe
The lights are 10000k power compacts. There are two bulbs in one fixture, and I switch between the bulbs weekly, to get exposure from different angles. I think a lot of people use 10000K lights on planted tanks. I like them better than the 6500k's too yellow for me. :think: :shrug:

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:44 pm
by Crazygar
Funny, I thought if I can do planted tanks that SW Tanks would work for me. You saw the SW Tank Gabe.. :whistle:

Lighting sounds right as the initial setup discussion, what do you have for substrate?

Gary

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:07 pm
by Gabe
Crazygar wrote:Funny, I thought if I can do planted tanks that SW Tanks would work for me. You saw the SW Tank Gabe.. :whistle:


Hey, my name is not McDonald.... :rofl: :biglaugh:


Crazygar wrote:Lighting sounds right as the initial setup discussion, what do you have for substrate? Gary


Speed-posting again Gary? 8) You read the reference to the reef tank and fell a sleep? :clapping:
Gabe wrote:I know Gary, that is why I am a bit disappointed in the tank! Well in the plants at least. I guess I was hoping it will be as easy as a reef tank.... :rofl: :biglaugh: :P

Laura, I have 1/2" of peat on the bottom, on top of that I have 2 1/2' - 3" of Sachem's fluorite, on top of that I have 1" - 1 1/2" of Eco-Complete! It is thicker on the back than the front ( where the E.tenellus is ) ,however it is still about 2" - 2 1/2" of substrait. I also dose iron, however I never used fert tabs.

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:12 pm
by Crazygar
Yup. Brain Fog as well. Working on a control plan for a customer as well.

With what you have down for a substrate, you should be experiencing better growth. Have you tried planting large groups together and let the "mat" grow? Sometimes this works, if all the plants are close together they start throwing runners like nuts.

Gary

Re: The "siesta" method for algae control

PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:49 am
by Gabe
I'll try that next! Got to get more of the E.tenellus thought! Oh well I try different things next. My SW nano is almost where I want it to be, ( Running out of room! :biglaugh: ), so I'll have more time to experiment on the FW.