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My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:16 pm
by Studman0143
So here I start my journal for my new 29G planted community tank. What better way to watch my progress than by notating everything I do here. For the first little bit I will be asking for input and several suggestions to help me get started while I am waiting on my wood and substrate. I don’t want to experience much loss in the beginning although I know it can happen, especially since this is my first time. But in the almost year I’ve had my 10G running and as I’ve added and traded fish and plants, I think I may finally have the basics down. So why not upgrade and keep going?!?!

Here is where I need help from you all. I will list below my fish interests and preferences. I don’t know enough to know if they will work for my setup or desires, so go easy on me when you put NO, ha.

Questions:
1. How many of each fish/shrimp do I need for my cleanup crew, or what would be recommended?
2. I've seen several tank journals on here and elsewhere where nerite snails (i think that's what they are) are used. Would they be needed with what I want? What do they do?
3. How is fish compatibility looking? Do I need any major adjustments? What else could I add in?
4. How many watts/gallon do I need for a heater? Can I use the 50W I have and just buy another one to put on the other side or should I just have one in there?

Hardware:
29G Tank
Fluval 205
Aqueon T5 lighting - has a colormax bulb and one that is 6700K I think. Don't remember exactly, but I know it'll work well.
1x 50W heater


Here is my tank with the piece of wood I want to use! I love, love how it looks. I'm so excited to use it! :drooling:
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Fish:
Cleanup Crew:
• Amano Shrimp
• Cherry Shrimp
• Panda Cory’s (Or I’ll do peppered of Julii’s if I can’t get the Panda’s) (Does it matter if I just stay with one species or can I/should I mix it up)
• Oto’s


Other Fish:
• A school of some sort whether it be Blue Rummynose Tetras, black tetras, long-fin red minor tetras, Buenos aires tetra, etc. I truly do not know what kind of school I want. I have several that I like, but I really can’t decide.
• Yellow Forktail Blue-Eye (Pseudomugil furcatus) I love how these guys look!
• 1-2 Gouramis, or however many will be compatible, I don’t care on quantity and I’m not looking to breed them (I’m leaning towards a few; Pearl, 3-spot, dwarf, powder blue, flame dwarf, honey/sunset)
• Killifish


That is just what I can remember I like off the top of my head. I know that all of these may not be compatible, but that is where I ask for your help. I am also open to some unique/colorful platys, swordtails, or other tetras not above mentioned.
Here’s my thing, I don’t like the typical that everybody else gets (for the most part) hence I don’t want any neon tetras, guppy’s, molly’s, or sunburst/red platy’s. I like color, I like uniqueness, I like what others don’t have. I love going to a specific LPS here because they always have different fish and I see new ones every time I go, that is awesome!
So I will take suggestions and feedback.

I’ll make a post later on plants. I have found some from a book that I like the looks of that didn’t look to be too challenging (based on a rating scale it gave for each plant)

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:31 pm
by Dutchman
50 Watt is probably not enough. I would get (at least) a 100W heater.
Q: What is the power rating of your T5 light?

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:51 pm
by ScottFish
You are off to a good start, and I love the driftwood too! Before you talk clean-up crew, you need to settle on what fish you will be having. Some of your fish may eat your crew! This "Crew" helps to manage some of the algae in a tank, but will not solve the problem --an unbalanced tank (lighting, nutrients, etc.) will always have a problem with algae. Like your fish, it still comes down to personal preference. Various fish, shrimp, and snails you mention all do a pretty good job, but select your tank primary fish first. And by the way, N. snails are an easy way to go in any tank and can put up with most fish.

What are you thinking about using for substrate? Also, how are you going to cycle the tank?

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:53 am
by freshfish
Out of the fish options you've listed below, I'd probably lean towards a school of those dwarf rainbowfish, a single gourami (if you end up with 2 males they'll likely fight), and a small school of Cories, 2 or three Amano shrimp, and a nerite snail.

Cherry shrimp are likely to be eaten by a gourami, so it's probably either/or with those two. Amanos are much larger and so generally safe, however.

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:25 pm
by Studman0143
freshfish wrote:Out of the fish options you've listed below, I'd probably lean towards a school of those dwarf rainbowfish, a single gourami (if you end up with 2 males they'll likely fight), and a small school of Cories, 2 or three Amano shrimp, and a nerite snail.

Cherry shrimp are likely to be eaten by a gourami, so it's probably either/or with those two. Amanos are much larger and so generally safe, however.


By rainbow fish are you referring to something like Melanotaenia praecox? I hadn't thought of those before.
and yeah, I would have to be careful if I had 2 Gouramis. Just one may be my best bet. And that sucks about CRS and Gouramis. Are there any other shrimp I could do instead of are they are all just too small for a Gourami?

Thanks for your feedback! It is really helpful.

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:06 pm
by freshfish
No, actually I was referring to the P. furcatus. Though Dwarf Neons might be another nice option, though you wouldn't be able to have quite as large a school since they get so much bigger...

Amano shrimp and Bamboo shrimp (which I would not recommend unless you target-feed them) are the only commonly available freshwater shrimp I know of that would get large enough to be safe from some gourami.

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:20 pm
by Studman0143
freshfish wrote:No, actually I was referring to the P. furcatus. Though Dwarf Neons might be another nice option, though you wouldn't be able to have quite as large a school since they get so much bigger...

Amano shrimp and Bamboo shrimp (which I would not recommend unless you target-feed them) are the only commonly available freshwater shrimp I know of that would get large enough to be safe from some gourami.


Oh duh! It's the yellow forktail you were referring to, the one I originally recommended. Ha. Yeah, I'd love to have a school of them, or whatever amount is recommended. I know the guy I'm going through to get my fish and plants has worked with them for a long while, so maybe I'll ask his advice too on how many.

Now I just need to figure out what other fish I could do. A Gourami and a school of the P. Furcatus just doesn't seem like enough for a 29G and that it'd be semi boring.

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:21 pm
by Studman0143
Dutchman wrote:50 Watt is probably not enough. I would get (at least) a 100W heater.
Q: What is the power rating of your T5 light?


It's a 18W colormax and a 18W 6,700k. That's what you wanted to know right?
And should I get a 100W to use along with the 50W or do that in place of the 50W?

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:18 pm
by freshfish
2x18 watts of T5NO should be enough light for this tank IME.

I'd go with 100 watts of heater(s)- general rule of thumb is 3-5 watts per gallon in order to maintain a stable temperature throughout the tank.

Re: My Planted Lair

PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:42 pm
by Studman0143
freshfish wrote:2x18 watts of T5NO should be enough light for this tank IME.

I'd go with 100 watts of heater(s)- general rule of thumb is 3-5 watts per gallon in order to maintain a stable temperature throughout the tank.


Awesome, thank you. I'm on the hunt for another heater on our local classifieds.